Canucks and Habs 2016: False Report

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For the sake of sensation, readership, listenership or worse, filling an agenda against a General Manager whom some can’t stand and want fired, there are individuals both in the media and amongst a fan base who will take a rumour and make it sound like a fact. Why? Because it fits their agenda when they have an axe to grind, and/or it makes for good publicity for them.

A typical example of that came out this past week when Elliott Friedman, in his 31 Thoughts: The Podcast, made the following statement:

“There was a chance that the Canucks would get P.K. Subban but the problem was that Pierre-Luc Dubois was not going to fall to Vancouver’s pick, because Montreal knew that Columbus was going to take him. If Montreal believed that Dubois was going to be available at five, P.K. Subban could have been a Vancouver Canucks.”

That’s all Friedman said on the podcast. Well someone, somewhere – including danslescoulisses.com – brought back a Friedman article from June 24, 2016 and presented it as current. In the translation, they insinuate that Marc Bergevin declined an offer from Canucks’ GM Jim Benning which would have included Bo Horvat, Chris Tanev and the fifth overall pick for Subban. It didn’t take more for the vultures to take this false news and run with it and unfortunately, because they presented it as facts, people believed it.

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However, as few reporters do in today’s day and age, someone by the name of Jeff Veillemette went straight to the source and pulled out Friedman’s 2016 30 Thoughts.

You see the difference? There is no way that Benning would be crazy enough to offer that package for Subban and Bergevin being stupid enough to decline it. If anything, it might be what the Canadiens were asking the Canucks for Subban, had Dubois fallen to number five overall… but I’m convinced that Vancouver wouldn’t have done it.

The morale of the story is that before jumping to conclusions, get to the source folks and beware of those who have a #FireBergevin hashtag in their tweets. Chances are that they will believe anything and everything, even twisting things to make them fit their agenda, and they will present them as facts. Now if someone brings this up again, you can point them to this article. Go Habs Go!

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He Said, She Said – Elliott Friedman’s take

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Elliott Friedman‘s 30 thoughts are always fun to read and this one, particularly for Habs’ fans, is no different. Friedman states that the Canadiens are hot on Pierre-Luc Dubois and that he won’t be available when they select at number nine. The Oilers (4th) and the Canucks (5th) are in perfect position to draft the French Canadian player, and the Canucks have shown interest in drafting him.

Picking fourth and fifth are the Edmonton Oilers and the Canucks, both of whom would be very interested in Subban. Vancouver GM Jim Benning admitted as much on Thursday. His best offer would include Bo Horvat, Chris Tanev and the fifth overall selection. There is some debate about Benning’s willingness to include Horvat, but he may not be able to get this done without doing so.

The biggest question for Bergevin would be, is that enough? Can you sell that trade even if it brings you Dubois?

While Bo Horvat and the fifth overall (Dubois) are very interesting, I don’t think that Tanev is enough to tilt the scale the Canucks’ way. As a matter of fact, I don’t think that Vancouver has what it takes to compete against other teams in a bid for Subban, although that 5th overall pick is interesting for Marc Bergevin if he wants Dubois.

Edmonton is a different animal. One report on Thursday said the price was Leon Draisaitl and the fourth overall pick. But a couple of sources warned that, at times, the ask has been even greater than that.

The Oilers, desperate to add defenders, are having a difficult time meeting their objective. They will not give up their most valuable pieces for anyone who lacks term. Someone like Kevin Shattenkirk simply does not make sense for them, as it’s extremely unlikely he stays beyond the end of next year. That’s a waste of a move.

Subban is locked in for seven more seasons. That’s hugely appealing. But the ask is not, and, from what I understand, GM Peter Chiarelli has not budged from his position. If there are two guys at this draft playing chicken right down to the wire, it’s Bergevin and Chiarelli.

Now you’re talking about a real possibility, especially if Chiarelli ups the ante before the Oilers have to pick at number four. They have the tools to sacrifice to make a deal worthwhile for the Canadiens and for Bergevin to change his mind. The question is: who will blink?

Remember that Subban is NOT being shopped so if the Oilers (or any other team for that matter) want him, they will have to pay the price!

Colorado was in this for a while, and the Avalanche could make it work. GM Joe Sakic declined comment, but sources cited two major stumbling blocks: Colorado didn’t like the contract, and the two sides could not agree on the return. I know everyone’s suspected the deal was Tyson Barrie, Matt Duchene and the 10th pick, but I’m not convinced Sakic was willing to do that. (One source cautioned it never even got that far.)

If this offer is on the table later today and Bergevin pulls the trigger, I can’t say that I would blame him. Especially if he can save his ninth pick and trade the 10th to acquire a player like Cam Fowler